Prospective Mechanics: Status, Glory and Honor

My biggest preference would be to make all of them actually functional. Each of them should have some concrete effects on players, be this in influence, resource generation, etc.

I do not consider "you NPC at this level" to be sufficient, as that is largely not a consideration for most players.

The 1-10 range is fairly good, I think, but the 10 glory issue of EH was entirely a result of mass combat being very, very common. The glory from it was initially justified as the counterbalance to the high risk of death. The resulting nerf to mass combat glory gains went far too hard the other way, and made mass combat fairly pointless to engage in as a PC(for mechanical reasons, anyways).

I don't see mass combat as nearly as frequent in this system, and while some glory gains are to be had in skirmishes, we should generally have less of an issue with that.

Honor didn't really spiral out of control, and people above seven honor are extremely rare in EH, while people with miserable honor are decently common. If anything, I'd put honor gains as slightly higher than in EH.

Status is less critical if we're doing an earlier setting, I think. It's less clan-focused, so while there's an advantage there, it's not free arbitrary power over your clan, it's in line with resources expended to get it.

I think glory and honor ten should be achievable, albeit extremely difficult, and it should be pretty unlikely that the same person would manage both.

I suggested some time ago that the actual table of honor gain/loss be printed out and placed by the reporting cards. That might help. Not sure. It's a little more detailed than the check boxes.

But maybe something needs to be written on the topic for the players or something? Some way to build familiarity. Maybe some early mods that utilize it heavily or something.

Oh, the glory loss thing we can just auto-calc per session. I never bothered to report that, because I assumed it was just happening.

I do agree that non-combat PvP makes those way more important. And actually having honor matter to most people in some context beyond an honor check helps too. Most folks can shrug and mostly ignore it at present. Once it's an important thing to them mechanically, they'll be more motivated to report it.

I like the idea, except for the "Pay for extra XP" part. Incorporating Honor into the Economy seems to me to be the best way to make players care about it, as well as Travis' idea of having some initial plots focus on it.

The problem is that Honor has both public and private elements.  Most people can't discern other people's honor very effectively (even Lore: Bushido is limited).  Glory is what is publicly known.  I'm all for using that as a requirement (though I much favor giving bonuses to players with something rather than penalizing players without it) but Honor strikes me as a difficult measure in most circumstances.  Some exceptions will exist - spiritual challenges, for example - but they are by and large exceptional.

That feels extremely punative. There's already a penalty for low honor: Honor Rolls are worthless and less of a bonus to resist fear and temptation.

For that matter I don't this as being something directly affected by Honor. Maybe by Glory, but even that would be more about troop command (hmm... give a bonus on pre-battle speech equal to your Glory? Yet more reasons the Lion dominate mass battle but that's setting-appropriate so not necessarily a problem). I think what really bothers me about it is if I've paid for troops already why am I being blocked from using them by another requirement?

I understand where you're coming from Alex, my reasoning behind this is that honor is worthless in EH because adding honor to intimidation or fear rolls never matters. Almost every player I have seen can succeed the TNs anyways because all of the static numbers are stupid. Also honor checks are rarely used, the players that use them use them because its not only terribly designed in EH but they are part of the very small group that knows it exists and wants to play with it. I have been approached by Peter on numerous occasions for different honor roll mechanics because he had been frustrated by both the abuse of honor rolls and how honor just didn't mater in EH. Unfortunately every single one of my redesigns has been dropped by someone on the staff and they could never agree to any of them.

That being said I want honor to matter in this game. I want to see penalties for having shit honor. I specifically looked at the honor section of the core book to understand the social penalties to honor and attempt to interpret them as mechanics. Now I don't mind working around thing, even lowering the honor barrier to 2, but from an in game point of view I don't see why an Imperial Miya would even want to have someone who is an "honorless dog" be in their map room unless we design a mechanic around curbing the Miya's favor so that they can interact with him (such as favors or gifts or whatever).